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Sunan Ibn MajahThe Book of Purification and its Sunnah

Sunan Ibn Majah 323

Chapter: Permission concerning that in the toilet with walls and its permissiblity, not in deserts

Differing grades 4 scholars’ grades Sunan Ibn Majah 323

Narrator:Abdullāh ibn ‘Umar

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى، حَدَّثَنَا عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مُوسَى، عَنْ عِيسَى الْحَنَّاطِ، عَنْ نَافِعٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ عُمَرَ، قَالَ رَأَيْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم

ـ فِي كَنِيفِهِ مُسْتَقْبِلَ الْقِبْلَةِ ‏.
‏ قَالَ عِيسَى فَقُلْتُ ذَلِكَ لِلشَّعْبِيِّ فَقَالَ صَدَقَ ابْنُ عُمَرَ وَصَدَقَ أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ أَمَّا قَوْلُ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ فَقَالَ فِي الصَّحْرَاءِ لاَ يَسْتَقْبِلِ الْقِبْلَةَ وَلاَ يَسْتَدْبِرْهَا وَأَمَّا قَوْلُ ابْنِ عُمَرَ فَإِنَّ الْكَنِيفَ لَيْسَ فِيهِ قِبْلَةٌ اسْتَقْبِلْ فِيهِ حَيْثُ شِئْتَ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو الْحَسَنِ بْنُ سَلَمَةَ وَحَدَّثَنَا أَبُو حَاتِمٍ،

It was narrated that Ibn 'Umar said:

"I saw the Messenger of Allah in his (constructed) toilet, facing towards the Qiblah." (Da'if) (One of the narrators) 'Eisa said: "I told that to Sha'bi, and he said: 'Ibn 'Umar spoke the truth. As for the words of Abu Hurairah, he said: "In the desert do not face the Qiblah nor turn one's back towards it." As for the words of Ibn 'Umar, he said: "In the (constructed) toilet there is no Qiblah so turn in whatever direction you want." Another chain with similar wording.

Reported by Ibn Majah (No. 323).

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Classical commentary

Al-Sindi — Hashiyat al-Sindi on Sunan Ibn Majah

قَوْله ( لَيْسَ فِيهِ قِبْلَة ) إِذْ لَا يُصَلَّى فِيهِ فَلَا يَتَحَقَّق فِيهِ اِسْتِقْبَال الْقِبْلَة فَيَجُوز فِيهِ الِاسْتِقْبَال حَيْثُ شَاءَ وَهَذَا وَجْه آخَر لِلتَّخْصِيصِ مَعَ قَطْع النَّظَر عَنْ خُصُوص الْغَائِظ بِالْفَضَاءِ وَفِي الزَّوَائِد عِيسَى الْحَنَّاط ضَعِيف.…

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Scholars’ grades

The 4 scholars cited do not give the same grade: each one is shown below.

ScholarGradeApplies toWork
Al-Albanid. 1420 AH Very weakVery Daif The hadith No. 323
Shu'ayb al-Arna'utd. 1438 AH WeakDaif The hadith No. 323
Zubair Ali Zaid. 1435 AH WeakDaif The hadith No. 323
Muhammad Fu'ad Abd al-Baqid. 1388 AH Very weakVery Daif The hadith No. 323

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